Modern society is not a thing separate from humans, its not something imposed on us, it came about in part because of our nature. We created it. That's I think the part where I can't ever see anarchy working on any scale significant enough to matter.... i.e. it's always human nature that will get in the way. Modern society is not great, …
Modern society is not a thing separate from humans, its not something imposed on us, it came about in part because of our nature. We created it. That's I think the part where I can't ever see anarchy working on any scale significant enough to matter.... i.e. it's always human nature that will get in the way. Modern society is not great, and there's too much violence, poverty, pollution, hunger, etc. But it is much better than it has been for thousands of years. To progress beyond what we have now we have to solve the problems in the system and account for human nature and bad players. This is where anarchism fails, it assumes the problems are because of modern society/ the systems and that if we get rid of that human nature is inherently peaceful, we are not though. You and I may be, but it only takes a handful of bad guys to screw things up. I think we will eventually progress beyond the modern system we have and hopefully get to something better. I have a sneaking suspicion that the internet, AI, and robots will play a factor in that and that the future anarchists want is not dissimilar from the future we all want, but it won't be anarchism that gets us there.
> Modern society is not a thing separate from humans, its not something imposed on us, it came about in part because of our nature. We created it.
modern society is created, but it is a creation of civilized cultures. it is not separate from the humans that formulate and reproduce it, but it is separate from the cultures outside of modern society (i.e. indigenous cultures) and for those cultures, it is an imposition.
it seems that you are confusing "human nature" with "the nature of civilized peoples"
"human nature" does not exist, we are empty containers than can hold so so much.
but lets pretend it does:
if human nature precedes "the nature of civilized peoples" then "civilized nature" is a subset of "human nature" and while a subset can provide a different perspective of its superset (the same way a subculture creates a perspective on the culture) but the subset does not define the superset
Modern society is not a thing separate from humans, its not something imposed on us, it came about in part because of our nature. We created it. That's I think the part where I can't ever see anarchy working on any scale significant enough to matter.... i.e. it's always human nature that will get in the way. Modern society is not great, and there's too much violence, poverty, pollution, hunger, etc. But it is much better than it has been for thousands of years. To progress beyond what we have now we have to solve the problems in the system and account for human nature and bad players. This is where anarchism fails, it assumes the problems are because of modern society/ the systems and that if we get rid of that human nature is inherently peaceful, we are not though. You and I may be, but it only takes a handful of bad guys to screw things up. I think we will eventually progress beyond the modern system we have and hopefully get to something better. I have a sneaking suspicion that the internet, AI, and robots will play a factor in that and that the future anarchists want is not dissimilar from the future we all want, but it won't be anarchism that gets us there.
> Modern society is not a thing separate from humans, its not something imposed on us, it came about in part because of our nature. We created it.
modern society is created, but it is a creation of civilized cultures. it is not separate from the humans that formulate and reproduce it, but it is separate from the cultures outside of modern society (i.e. indigenous cultures) and for those cultures, it is an imposition.
it seems that you are confusing "human nature" with "the nature of civilized peoples"
Human nature created the nature of civilized peoples in order to deal with human nature.
"human nature" does not exist, we are empty containers than can hold so so much.
but lets pretend it does:
if human nature precedes "the nature of civilized peoples" then "civilized nature" is a subset of "human nature" and while a subset can provide a different perspective of its superset (the same way a subculture creates a perspective on the culture) but the subset does not define the superset
Ok well yes, I very much agree with that too!